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Post by born2praze on Nov 17, 2008 12:32:28 GMT -5
Dear Rabbi, Shalom! I am new here and I have a question about this controversy in Matthew 28. Could you give me some feedback on this. I have included the link to this site. To see the manuscript that has been translated into the Hebrew scroll down the page. My question is, Is this a true translation, is it correct? If so, what are your thoughts on this. Also, should it matter since Yeshua happened not to mention the trinity in this instance? And how could this be translated into Hebrew since Yeshua spoke in Aramaic and the Gospel was written in Greek? So many questions!!! I am a new student in the original texts so I ask for your patience. Thank You for your time! I look forward to your response. May God bless you and keep you and make His face shine upon you, and may He keep you in His perfect peace. ShalomNew member Born2praze. Shem Tov's Hebrew Matthew Gospel Matthew 28:9-20 jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew-proof.html
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Post by aleph on Nov 17, 2008 17:58:38 GMT -5
There is some evidence that Yeshua spoke Aramaic, but his main language was Hebrew, The Torah that he read in the temple was in Hebrew. There is also ample evidence sitting at the university of Jerusalem of a scroll dated back to the first Century of the Book of Matthews in Hebrew found in India, it is believed to be a copy of the original, my personal believe is that the gospels as well as the book of Revelations and the letters of John and Peter were also in Hebrew and lost or Hidden by the Roman Catholic Church. The 1st Book Of John also has an added verses declaring a trinity which does not appear in the Greek either. So yes I believe there was some manipulation of scriptures. There was also manipulation of translation in the Nacar Colunga Bible, translated by RC Bishops, such wherever the word says repentance it was substituted with penitence. I believe Baptism is in the name of Adonai as he is one. I hope that answers your question ?Shalom
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Post by born2praze on Nov 17, 2008 21:38:28 GMT -5
Thank You! Yes it does and it reinforces my conviction of the catholic church's deceitfulness.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth. May we all strive for this!! Shalom
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Post by Chochma Yid on Nov 18, 2008 4:23:52 GMT -5
Todah Aleph:
We were just watching a movie of "St Peter" tonight and although it's very well done we got into that eternal question about a Trinity. I did not argue as it would have served no purpose. All I said was that I think a "trinity" limits G-d and His power.
Question: I know we've discussed this before on the board but are there perhaps newer members who have a question as to why some of us are not strict trinitarians.
I realise that we likely have much bigger and more important things to deal with in the near future but I will still ask: is there anyone who wants further discussion on this.
Thanks again Aleph.
CY
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Post by aleph on Nov 18, 2008 18:27:26 GMT -5
Todah Aleph: We were just watching a movie of "St Peter" tonight and although it's very well done we got into that eternal question about a Trinity. I did not argue as it would have served no purpose. All I said was that I think a "trinity" limits G-d and His power. Question: I know we've discussed this before on the board but are there perhaps newer members who have a question as to why some of us are not strict trinitarians. I realise that we likely have much bigger and more important things to deal with in the near future but I will still ask: is there anyone who wants further discussion on this. Thanks again Aleph. CY A trinity undermines God's power, like if he needed help to redeemed mankind.
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Post by john1010 on Nov 28, 2008 10:23:10 GMT -5
The trinity is man's way of explaining how our ONE GOD reveals and manifests Himself as Father - Son - Spirit. I do not believe it limits or undermines who God is or His power at all, rather it enhances the wonder, beauty and mystery of our Creator.
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Post by jackiedee on Jan 29, 2009 20:35:05 GMT -5
I am a sister, a mother, and a daughter. Does my being a sister in any way lessen my position as mother? Does my being a mother make me any less a sister? Does my being a daughter make me any less a sister or mother? I have deliberately used sister instead of wife as a wife can be divorced, but a sister, mother or daughter can never change their relationship to each other.
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Post by jackiedee on May 27, 2010 15:00:20 GMT -5
I believe that one of the great mistakes that the Roman Catholic Church made. They call it the "trinity" which, to me, suggests 3 separate gods, but I believe God is a TRIUNE God. One God, but acting in different ways, just I suggested above with the example of me being a mother, daughter and sister. Yet I am ME....one person, but I act and react in different ways depending on which role I am in. I do not interact with my mother as I do with my sister or my children; nor do I interact with my sister as I do with my mother and children; nor do I interact with my children as i do with my mother and sister. Yet, I am only ONE person.
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Post by aleph on Jun 23, 2010 22:39:41 GMT -5
I believe that one of the great mistakes that the Roman Catholic Church made. They call it the "trinity" which, to me, suggests 3 separate gods, but I believe God is a TRIUNE God. One God, but acting in different ways, just I suggested above with the example of me being a mother, daughter and sister. Yet I am ME....one person, but I act and react in different ways depending on which role I am in. I do not interact with my mother as I do with my sister or my children; nor do I interact with my sister as I do with my mother and children; nor do I interact with my children as i do with my mother and sister. Yet, I am only ONE person. Describing God as a Trinity is limiting him to that only, God is 100 things at the same time, he is King ,He is creator, he is redeemer, he Is Father and Spirit and His entire Godhead lives in the body of The Son, Colossians 2;8;9
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